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Thursday, June 28, 2007

A Krishnamurti Moment

Krishnamurti

Emphasis mine:
So the first thing for all enquiry, for all new life, for all understanding and comprehension is freedom. But you do not demand freedom, you demand security. And the moment you want physical security you plan to create it; which means you establish various forms of authority, dictatorship, control, while at the same time you want freedom. So the conflict begins within the mind. But a mind which is aware of its conflict must find out which is of primary importance - freedom or security. After all, is there such a thing as security at all? You may want it, but is there such a thing? Events are showing that there is no such thing as security. Yet the mind clings to the idea. If the mind demands freedom first then security will follow, but if you seek security first you will never have freedom and so you will always have different forms of conflict, misery and sorrow. (J. Krishnamurti - Madras, India - 2nd Public Talk, 26th October 1958)
Important words to ponder in these modern times. It is interesting how the juxtaposition of freedom and security finds itself in the Western mind:
The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe. - H.L. Mencken
With statements like that, it is clearly and erroneously seen as an either/or proposition. It is not.

11 comments:

  1. SAVED BY GRACE
    About 3 years ago I dropped into a black hole – four months of absolute terror. I wanted to end my life, but somehow [Holy Spirit], I reached out to a friend who took me to hospital. I had three visits [hospital] in four months – I actually thought I was in hell. I imagine I was going through some sort of metamorphosis [mental, physical & spiritual]. I had been seeing a therapist [1994] on a regular basis, up until this point in time. I actually thought I would be locked away – but the hospital staff was very supportive [I had no control over my process]. I was released from hospital 16th September 2004, but my fear, pain & shame had only subsided a little. I remember this particular morning waking up [home] & my process would start up again [fear, pain, & shame]. No one could help me, not even my therapist [I was terrified]. I asked Jesus Christ to have mercy on me & forgive me my sins. Slowly, all my fear has dissipated & I believe Jesus delivered me from my “psychological prison.” I am a practicing Catholic & the Holy Spirit is my friend & strength; every day since then has been a joy & blessing. I deserve to go to hell for the life I have led, but Jesus through His sacrifice on the cross, delivered me from my inequities. John 3: 8, John 15: 26, are verses I can relate to, organically. He’s a real person who is with me all the time. I have so much joy & peace in my life, today, after a childhood spent in orphanages . God LOVES me so much. Fear, pain, & guilt, are no longer my constant companions. I just wanted to share my experience with you [Luke 8: 16 – 17].
    PS:Jiddu Krishnamurti, nearly sent me insane? Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Krishnamurti is all THOUGHT and no FEELING. He was a very clever FALSE PROPHET & CONTROL FREAK. I imagine the core of his teachings were DEMONIC!! Satan can appear as an “angel of light”.
    PEACE BE WITH YOU
    MICKY

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  2. May you live in peace as well. K. has passed, so I'm sure he'll give you no more trouble.

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  3. Jiddu Krishnamurti ;

    “There are three monks, who had been sitting in deep meditation for many years amidst the Himalayan snow peaks, never speaking a word, in utter silence. One morning, one of the three suddenly speaks up and says, ‘What a lovely morning this is.’ And he falls silent again. Five years of silence pass, when all at once the second monk speaks up and says, ‘But we could do with some rain.’ There is silence among them for another five years, when suddenly the third monk says, ‘Why can’t you two stop chattering?”


    http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/jokes.html

    http://seaunaluzparaustedmismo.blogspot.com/

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  4. Guzmán -

    Thanks for the links. The jokes are very amusing. I do not read Español too well, so your K. blog is good practice for me. :)

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  5. Krishnamurti was talking for 60 years. Nobody, literally, nobody came to him and said: "My friend, this has happened". Is not it strange? "Normally", the enlightened one talks for 3-4 years to his apprentices and lets them go. Done. Has K's methodology fucked up completely, or there was something else? He was talking about Thought - as if this was the worst enemy, whereas Thought is actually all what we really have. He emphasized the absence of Thought as the key to the Eternal. One cannot do worse. Question the only thing they have - Thought! - and one will loop himself up in himself by himself and will never get out from the pit.

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  6. Anne Marie, thank you for coming by to comment on this post.

    "Thought" is not all that we have. It is a late-comer in the evolution of (Wo)Man. It is not a bad thing to devolve to our pre-thought heritage - the mind has brought us wonderful, mesmerizing things, but we must be careful not to be caught up in the web of what is merely a *layer* upon our existence, not the source. "Devolve" is perhaps an unfortunate word - we cannot escape what we have become, but we can become aware of, and respect, our essential nature, which predates the "gift" of thought and self-awareness.

    I have not, personally, eschewed thought (obviously,) but I have successfully put it into perspective, without being caught up in "the pit."

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    1. Hello Michael,

      Whatever is beyond Thought is non of our (us as Thought) business, because this may as well be illusion produced by Thought itself, for instance enlightenment, a very catchy and nice idea for the hungry Ego. "Forgive us our trespasses" - not "sins" in the original translation - points out what one does when chasing an illusion.

      My intention was not to disqualify K.
      Best,

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    2. Oh, I believe you are quite correct there. I was thinking more of the precursors to thought, not something "beyond."

      Thank you again.

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    3. Could you please tell me a little bit more on these "precursors", I mean, how Thought arises from your point of view; just curious.
      :)
      Thank you,
      Marie Anne

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    4. Well, I don't know if I can speak to "how" it arises, since by the time we contemplate the question it's already there. :)

      I suspect that it probably is an enhanced artifact of the simple fight-or-flight emotions and responses to simple needs and challenges of our basic animal nature. Self-awareness showed up at some point - clearly in many of the so-called "higher" animals - and this is probably what gave it the cohesion of what we commonly think of as thought.

      Of course, we as humans have really run with that ball, as it were, and now we are enmeshed in a virtual reality that owes more to the thought constructs of our own social engineering than it does to original Nature. And that, as I see it, is the challenge of our future, if we are to have any. To differentiate between our self-created, artificial environment - which is plastic and to which we owe no special reverence - and the reality of the world that brought us into being - a fixed reality that requires a great deal of respect and consideration.

      We're not doing that right now. Hence, problems.

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    5. I totally agree.

      Piece and Love,
      Marie Anne

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